What happens when you insult the Bible accurately?

I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian family, deep in the heart of the Bible belt. I was an altar boy, the kind of kid who prayed while he walked home from school.

When I was nine or ten years old, I got out of being thrashed silly on the playground by lecturing another kid — the biggest kid I’d ever seen in my life — about Jesus Christ.

I’m not making this up. The bully later approached me when nobody else was looking and asked, in an awed voice, if I really believed all that stuff about God.  I gave him an earful.

I have long been a close and diligent reader of the Bible.  I rank it not only as one of the most profound books on my shelf, but also one of the most beautiful.

Which is why my ears perked up when Dan Savage, one of the most prominent gay rights activists in the country, sparked a furor by talking trash about the Good Book.

Speaking to a group of young people recently, Savage argued that it’s time to discount Biblical teachings about homosexuality, in the same way that we casually discount so much else that’s in Scripture.  Here’s what he said:

“We can learn to ignore the bull%#$ in the Bible about gay people. The same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the bull#$* in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation. We ignore bull@#@ in the Bible about all sorts of things.”

Savage’s comments have been described as anti-Christian bigotry and as a form of hate speech.

On first listen, they slot neatly into the take-no-prisoners culture war that rages in America, fitting somewhere between the war on Christmas and the effort to ban gay marriage in North Carolina.

But as someone who reads and thinks and grapples with the Bible a lot, I think it’s important to point out that on the basic facts, Savage is absolutely correct.

The Bible contains a lot of profound wisdom, but it also articulates moral points of view about slavery, about women, about human sexuality, about science, and about mundane things like diet and daily ritual that most of us would find shocking today.

The problem, of course, is that so few Christians actually read the Bible.  And when they do, they often digest it in tiny, out-of-context Bible verses, each carefully packaged with a modern, fuzzy-minded exegesis.

We used to be made of tougher stock.  In 1843, the philosopher Soren Kierkegaard grappled at length with the story of Abraham’s decision to murder his own child at the behest of a God so jealous that He wanted proof of Abraham’s loyalty.

Kierkegaard confronted the creepiness and the moral nausea that the story conjures up today, titling his own book “Fear and Trembling.”

These days, the folks in the pews rarely wrestle with the deep quandaries, the ugly bits, the parts of the Bible that to modern eyes seem flatly unacceptable.

Take, by way of example, the idea of “traditional” marriage.  The truth is that a healthy marriage, as we understand it today, is completely unlike the Biblical version.

The Old Testament casually accepts polygamy, absolute patriarchal dominance, the treatment of women within marriage as property, and the beating of children with “a rod.”

And consider the Bible’s treatment of rape, one of the crimes we now see as among the most brutal.

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver,” commands the book of Deuteronomy.

Then there’s this additional prescription.  The rapist “must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”

Yikes. The point here isn’t that the Bible is crummy or bad. It’s not.  It’s just really complicated.

And Savage is correct in that gays and lesbians are in an almost unique position in our society, in that they are still being asked to live by strict Biblical teachings. Indeed, many conservative Christians want those teachings codified in secular law.

Savage made his point, well, savagely.  One can question him, even condemn him, on style points. He’s been crudely provocative before and will be again.

But he is also asking a fair and even a vital question.  If we insist that the gay community be judged by a Gospel that most of us never read, are we willing to do the same?

Will we submit ourselves to state and Federal laws that would punish us brutally for adultery or premarital sex?  Should we accept a Constitutional ban on divorce, in the way that many Christians want a ban on same-sex marriage?

Would we — and in the context of religious teachings, this is no small thing — be willing to have the government intervene to restrict our sinful diets, or restructure our sinful sabbath-defying schedules?

Are we willing to see a clear and unambiguous primacy of men over women enshrined in secular law?

The bottom line is this:  The Bible was written as a moral and spiritual guide, and some of its teachings are timeless and universal.

But it was also scripted as a worldly teaching, laying out laws and edicts that were highly specific to a time and a place and a culture that existed roughly two thousand years ago.

Yes, those laws include a firm condemnation of homosexuality.  But they also condemn many of the habits, customs and lifestyles that we all take for granted.

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  1. PNElba says:

    “I am always suspect when someone says that they know the mind of God.” Rev. Murdoch Smith.

  2. JDM says:

    PNElba: “If it needs to be “interpreted” how are you or JDM or anyone else for that matter qualified to do so? ”

    Whoever believes in Jesus, and the redemption which he bought, receives the Holy Spirit. That qualifies them to get the “inside scoop” on the Bible.

    From there, it’s up to the individual to communicate it properly.

    You mentioned that some judge you. Do you mean like saying, “if you don’t believe in Jesus, you will go to Hell?”

    One way to interpret “you” is as an individual. Another way is to interpret it jointly (i.e. “anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus will go to Hell”)

    It may be an interpretive thing, rather than a judgemental thing.

  3. Jeff says:

    Penelba and JDM

    Regarding interpretation and my disagreement with the Pope…

    in the New Testament book of Ephesians-chapter 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    To me it needs little interpretation. I don’t like battering folks with bible stuff because it turns many off, but the need to cite some references seems to have worked into the discourse.

  4. mervel says:

    Jeff I forgot what you disagreeing with the Pope about?

  5. PNElba says:

    Revelation 20:12-13
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

    Sure, we can fire off bible quotes all day. The quotes I cite however are not interpreted correctly because I don’t have the “inside scoop”. God doesn’t talk to me the way he does to JDM.

  6. JDM says:

    PNElba:

    JDM said, “If you don’t believe in Jesus’s redemption, you will die (not live forever). However, there is a punishment that will occur prior to that, again, commensurate with your deeds done in unbelief.”

    I would also Rev 20:12-13 as a reference for my statement.

  7. JDM says:

    PNElba: Rev 20:15 has the one about death (not living forever): “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

    That takes us back to John 3:16: …whosoever believes in him shall not die, but have eternal life.

    Some say the lake of fire is the punishment. Some say the punishment occurs and then the lake of fire. Either way, it’s considered the “second death”.

  8. PNElba says:

    No disrespect JDM but all I hear you saying is blah, blah, blah. It affects me about as much as my presentation of evidence supporting climate change affects you.

  9. mervel says:

    Well this is the old faith versus works argument. I would stick with what many Pope’s have said, what Luther said and what Lewis said, (so you get both protestants and Catholics) for Christians you cannot separate faith from works anymore than you can separate smoke from fire.

    But anyway you can really go around and around on some of this.

    Part of what Catholics believe is that God is not unjust nor capricious, if someone has an open heart, not filled with pride or hate and honestly seeks God, that person will eventually find God and yes it will be through His Son Christ, but we don’t know how God will do that, the Holy Spirit goes where it will go, we can’t control that; thus to say you are out and you are in is insane.

    On this gay issue for example I am sure many gays are closer to Christ than I am.

  10. JDM says:

    PNElba: fair enough.

  11. PNElba says:

    mervel – for Christians you cannot separate faith from works anymore than you can separate smoke from fire.

    Of course you can! I’m an atheist and I like to think I do good works. Are you saying that if a Christian loses their faith they can no longer do good works or is it just that those good works no longer matter?

  12. mervel says:

    Neither.

    Within Christianity there has always been somewhat of a struggle between the emphasis on faith and works, the point however is that for a Christian spiritually these two are connected and intertwined to a degree that you cannot separate them.

    This was a digression into an internal Christian theological discussion so sorry about that.

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