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Nora Flaherty on June 24th, 2011
Just a little while after close of business today, Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos has finally announced Senate republicans are sending the same-sex marriage to the Senate floor for a vote. Here’s the text of his statement:
“After many hours of deliberation and discussion over the past several weeks among the members, it has been decided that same sex marriage legislation will be brought to the full Senate for an up or down vote.
The entire Senate Republican Conference was insistent that amendments be made to the Governor’s original bill in order to protect the rights of religious institutions and not-for-profits with religious affiliations. I appreciate the Governor’s cooperation in working with us to address these important issues and concerns.
As I have said many times, this is a very difficult issue and it will be a vote of conscience for every member of the Senate.”
The bill could come up for a vote tonight.
Tags: gay marriage, glbt
“and it will be a vote of conscience.”
Does this mean legislators do not usually vote their conscience?
If they don’t normally vote their conscience, then what does this say of them and how they usually vote?
fingers crossed!
I’m guessing there wouldn’t be a vote unless they knew it will pass.
Pete, here’s your answer from an AP story by Michael Gormley:
“Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous of Binghamton, who opposes gay marriage, said that after hours of passionate debate behind closed doors he still doesn’t know if there are enough votes to pass the bill.
“We’ve had some great conferences and nobody was told to vote yes or no,” he said. “People spoke from their hearts.”
So in the Republican Party members are normally told how to vote.
Thanks for the laugh, knuck. People, and I do include myself, sometimes say things without realizing the full meaning of what they are saying. It’s called “open mouth and insert foot.”
A great day for New York.
An ignominious day for our North Country State Senators.
hip hip hooray! so proud to be a misty-eyed new yorker right now.
Excellent! [ http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/marriage_equality_act_state_se.html ] love how the “spoke touchingly about his change of heart” comment – like the holdouts are the big heroes of the vote passing…sad spin on that.
“So in the Republican Party members are normally told how to vote.”
In all fairness, I think the Democratic party is the same. Too much party loyalty.
Overall, a great night for ny.
Marriage was understood before our country started. It was essentially undefined in law because it was understood. This is a corruption. It was not the place of any government (or court) to re-define it. It is not the place of government. Government where it should not be needs to be changed. This was a civil law decision and it was wrongly made because government had no jurisdiction.
All things are possible but not all things are good.
This was a foul putrid decision. A decision of laziness & cowardice. I saw little effort to consider civil unions. A substantial lack of respect for marriage. Done in the cover of darkness.
Equality? Hardly…. It is an insult. Spit in my face. Pollution of social order. Disrespect for God. Shortsighted of man. Ignorance. Without wisdom. Folly.
Sounds like something man dreamed up.
Jeff:
Agreed. This is bad.
People keep telling me that Christianity is all about Love and Compassion, and then I see things like the comment by Jeff above.
@Jeff; Speaking of, ‘understandings’, it is my understanding that people have a right to be free of your religious beliefs, such as god, etc. Another ‘understanding’ of mine is that defining legal relationships and protections is exactly what government is supposed to do. Sadly, the issue of gay marriage should never have been an issue of majorities deciding personal liberties for individuals. Perhaps, if people understood the bill of rights, this discussion could have been avoided altogether.
One of the more interesting things I see about this issue is how little most of us will notice it or be affected by it.
Many who consider themselves to be “religious” like to claim they know how God thinks and feels. What I see are people who want to make God into their own likeness and image.
It is very presumptuous to think a human being can offend God. It’s about as illogical to think a flea can offend you or me.
hopefully now we can move on to debating something else.
khl: “People keep telling me that Christianity is all about Love and Compassion”
Actually, these are accurate descriptive words. There are more.
Judgment, justice, faith, and hope are some that come to mind, especially in view of the latest developments here.
JDM, is venom one of those descriptive words too?
“Spit in my face. Pollution of social order. Disrespect for God. Shortsighted of man. Ignorance. Without wisdom. Folly.”
Spit on my Strunk and White. Pollution of grammar. Disrespect for subjects. And predicates. Incomplete sentences. Fragments.
oa,
A lot of the religious opponents of same sex marriage are pretty uneducated.